We have been working with these plants for more than 20 years combined and do so with a lot of respect, honor and humility.  It is not for us to call ourselves shamans or healers but rather channels or instruments that allow people to come and be held in a safe space to receive the message of the medicine and each ones own cleaning, healing and divine revelation. Two day Realization Retreats offer double Grandmother Ceremonies. Beginning around 5pm on the first day, we connect and set intentions to sit by sunset and journey into the evening together.